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Our British reader, Martin Webster (once a prominent far-right leader) wrote about the Katyn film:
Polish film about Katyn Massacre
http://www.marketwa
The above is the link to a review about a new Polish film which a Polish friend tells me deals with the massacre by the Soviet Union of the Polish officer corps -- a crime which for years was blamed on the Germans.
It seems that this film is so good it is up for some kind of a film industry prize, even an Oscar.
I doubt if any such film will be granted high accolades. The people who run the movie business may not be too keen on allowing a prize to go to a film which places the blame for a notorious war crime on the Communists rather than the Nazis!
And as it happens, the Zionists have just commenced a propaganda initiative in Poland designed to make the Poles feel co-responsible with the German Nazis for "the Holocaust".
Recently Jan Thomasz Gross, a Polish Jew who left Poland in 1968 to become a U.S. citizen and a history professor at Princeton University, has returned to the land of his birth to promote his latest book "Fear: Anti-Semitism in Poland after Auschwitz".
His technique for securing publicity for his book has been to stage provocative public meetings in Polish cities at which he accuses the Polish people in general and the Polish Catholic Church in particular, of responsibility for massacres of Jews during and after the German occupation.
These meetings caused uproar for, as Time magazine of 23rd January 2008 [ http://www.time.
This kind of vilification of the Polish people by Zionist propagandists has been part of Israeli school curriculum for decades past and it has clearly inculcated among Israelis a hatred for Poland and its people.
Shamir replied to Martin:
Dear Martin,
This is your mistake: "The people who run the movie business may not be too keen on allowing a prize to go to a film which places the blame for a notorious war crime on the Communists rather than the Nazis!" And this is an archetypal error of the Right. Your "The people who run the movie business" are Jews, and associated with them forces. You think that for Jews, Nazis are forever the most evil force, while Commies are akin spirit.
Jews are not such idealists, as you think. "The people who run the movie business" are first of all American Jews, and they are fully siding with the US, so they want to eliminate every independent force and cause everybody, all mankind to submit to the will of the US, and by proxy to their will. Russia is the real enemy for them, as well China or Iran, Cuba and Venezuela, but they are first of all enemies of Russia, the militarily strongest one. They want to cause more hatred between Russians and Poles in order to implant the US missile stations in Poland and move Nato troops eastwards.
This is important real stuff, while fight with Nazis is a nice entertainment. Nazis were defeated in 1945, and modern far right is too weak to matter.
"The people who run the movie business" will give this film an Oscar if it will help to undermine Russia's independence.
Israel Shamir
Joachim Martillo proposed to shift the blame for Katyn on the Jews:
Here is the Katyn Massacre Recommendation/
The signers of the massacre order are all reputed to have been members of the Kremlin Jewish Faction. From what I have read practically everyone up and down the chain of command in the killings of Polish leaders and intellectuals was Jewish. It takes a little digging to get the backgrounds, and I have yet to see it published in a popular journal.
It took 90 years for the NY Times to admit that all the killers of the Czar and his family were Jewish. Probably around 2030 the NY Times will publish the complete story of the Katyn Massacres including who conceived the idea and advised Stalin.
Shamir concludes on Katyn:
This is far from clear who, how many and when was shot at Katyn. There is a whole literature of blame-shifting and denial, much of it in Russian, Polish, German. Nurnberg Tribunal decided that the massacre was done by Germans, and denial of Nurnberg is illegal in many countries – but you may do it as much as you wish, if you aim against the present enemy, the too-independent Russia. Probably you may also blame it on Muslims, or Palestinians – as it was almost done by Dershowitz.
This Katyn Massacre was chosen by our enemy. Otherwise, who would give a damn about a few thousand soldiers and officers' fate in the war where millions perished? More Poles died at Monte Cassino, not to mention Warsaw. What actually happened in Katyn?
It is perfectly possible that as many as four thousand Polish officers were actually executed by the Soviets as enemies: do not forget that Napoleon executed six thousand POWs, the whole garrison of Jaffa, after they have surrendered. There was much bad blood between the Red Army and the White Poles: over one hundred thousand of the Red Army POWs were killed or starved to death by the White Poles after 1920.
On the other hand, some of the Poles exhumed in Katyn were undoubtedly killed by German weapons. The place could be a preferred place for mass killings, as the Babi Yar in Kiev was, and it was used by whoever was in power.
As far as I understand, one may consider the background, Eastern Poland/Western Ukraine, a piece of land that was shifted from Austro-Hungarian empire to independent Poland after Versailles and to the Ukraine in 1939. There was extreme animosity between ruling Poles and peasant Ukrainians; it is considered that the Ukrainians were harshly treated by their Polish masters, and this animosity caused severe persecution of the ethnic Poles when the Polish rule was over. Whoever ordered to shoot the Polish officers – the Soviets or the Nazis – it was anyway done by the Ukrainians, the pro-Soviet Ukrainians or pro-German Ukrainians, for there was nobody else to do the job. In other words, Katyn fits well into Volyn, the place where tens of thousands of ethnic Poles were massacred by Ukrainian nationalists. One may compare it with the massacre of whites in Haiti after their colonial rule was over; and many other unpleasant events in human history.
I agree with our Polish friend Marek G, with Treanor and Joh Domingo: it is better to forget some things, using the Greeks example: they had capital punishment cure for those with over-long memory. It is better for Russians and Poles to be good neighbours; but the enemy wants them to fight. Likewise, the enemy wants the Arabs to fight Iranians, as our next item shows:
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4 comments:
I really do not find shamir' s views either informed by reality or interesting
as fantasy.
Posted here with many comments.
Nazis invade Poland, kill 6 million people including 3 million Jews, 90% of the population, with plans to kill or enslave most of the rest. In the midst of this charnel house, Soviets kill 4,000 Polish officers who took up arms against the USSR in an insurgency and this is the worst crime of the war. Wow. We killed way more at Dresden. Katyn was and is Nazi propaganda.
The fascination with Katyn may arise in part because Germans were convicted of the crime at Nuremberg. The result of the trial indicates possible flaws with Allied post-War justice.
There were pogroms in Poland after the war but it is pehaps too simple to attribute these solely to antisemitism.
When the Germans invaded, many Jews fled to the Soviet Union. These people were viewed as traitors by the Poles, many of whom had fought the invasion and had seen loved ones die fighting the Germans. When the Soviets installed their puppets government after the war, many of its leaders were drawn from those Jews who fled and returned after the war.
These people were thought to be about as loyal to Poland as Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress. While their countrymen fought and bled and died defending against the German these people had high-tailed it for the border.
To be sure there was some antisemitism behind these pogroms, but it had more to do with Polish politics and national identity than it did with the Bible or Jesus. When the Red Army installed these people in power in Poland, it provoked violent antisemitism.
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