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From the Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA).
Here is the url for the (April 29, 2002) Ha'aretz Tutu article that the ZOA references: http://www.kokhavivpublications.com/2002/israel/04/0204290916.html .
I believe that Tutu was implicitly comparing the power of the Apartheid government with that of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin.
He was trying to argue that in the end the power of the Jewish lobby would not make much difference.
He brought up the Apartheid government specifically because it was not appropriate to compare the Jewish lobby directly with Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, or Idi Amin.
Tutu's approach to the comparison was correct, for the Jewish (or Israel) lobby is most appropriately compared and contrasted with the Roman Catholic Inquisition (originally called the Holy Office of the Inquisition, then the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, and nowadays the Congregations for the Doctrine of the Faith).
Please note that Richard Silverstein and Cecile Surasky cover the Tutu issue in more detail at http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2007/10/05/zoa-anatomy-of-a-smear/ and http://www.muzzlewatch.com/?p=257 .
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He brought up the Apartheid government specifically because it was not appropriate to compare the Jewish lobby directly with Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, or Idi Amin.
Tutu's approach to the comparison was correct, for the Jewish (or Israel) lobby is most appropriately compared and contrasted with the Roman Catholic Inquisition (originally called the Holy Office of the Inquisition, then the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, and nowadays the Congregations for the Doctrine of the Faith).
Please note that Richard Silverstein and Cecile Surasky cover the Tutu issue in more detail at http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2007/10/05/zoa-anatomy-of-a-smear/ and http://www.muzzlewatch.com/?p=257 .
Please come to the Boston Sabeel Conference Oct. 26 & 27. (Desmond Tutu will be speaking.)
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8 comments:
Gag, I would throw up if I attended that zionist love fest in Boston. Sick.
Anyhow, have you seen the video that you get when you google "Nazi shrunken heads" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=631336312738853628
What do you know about Idi Amin?
Is yr sense that Mort Klein first read the IMRA subtitle of the Haaretz article & then manufactured the quote?
It is a reasonable hypothesis. Klein invariably finds the most anti-Israel anti-Semitic connotation in any statement, and Imra inadvertantly helped him because possibly for ideological reasons it tried to make Tutu sound more anti-Israel than he actually was. Of course, the Imra editor simply might not have understood the subtlety of Tutu's observations on the transitory nature of power, and I have never seen any evidence that Klein can deal with subtle points. In any case the Imra subtitle is simply misleading.
JTA is sadly mistaken on this. Here is the complete transcript of the speech that Desmond Tutu gave at the Boston conference in 2002. You can see how his words were twisted. The first part is an introduction by Bishop Ed Browning. Here is the link to the full transcript, which is also pasted below.
http://www.fosna.org/conferences_and_trips/documents/2002_boston_tutu_keynote.pdf
Haaretz was sloppy. It was quoting a Guardian commentary (http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,706878,00.html), which was excerpted from an article in Church Times. I have not read the Church Times article, but I suspect that article covered the ideas expressed at the Boston Sabeel conference and not just Tutu's public address.
After the speech, I spoke very briefly with the Archbishop about the Jewish lobby. The discussion of the transitory nature of the power (to do wrong) may come from that conversation.
This FOSNA transcript is much fuller & longer than the one I saw previously. Which transcript is more accurate & why do you think there are such discrepancies? I don't think Tutu says anything differently in either version, but I'm interested that there are 2 such diff. versions & how that could've happened.
I posted my thoughts on penultimate paragraph of the FOSNA version at More on the Jewish Inquisition and Desmond Tutu. The FOSNA version does indeed discuss the Israeli government in more detail than the Guardian or Haaretz version.
If one ignores the clear implication that the the Israeli government could be just or unjust unlike the Apartheid government, Hitler, Stalin, et. al. (and takes some psychedelic drugs), one could perhaps delude oneself that Tutu was putting Israel in the same category as the dictators.
I attended that FOSNA conference in Boston in 2002, but I did not really recall it until I read through the longer version. (BTW, if I had given a speech at the conference, I would have been much more negative about Israel. By my standards the full version is quite Zionist.)
The Haaretz version was drawn from the Guardian version which was drawn from the Church Times version which I presume was drawn from the original speech.
In any case, the ZOA and the IMRA understanding is not supported even by the Haaretz version.
Don't kid yourself that you are pro-American. There is nothing American about you. You're no patriot. Not only that, you don't support family values. Your vitriole and hatred, your subscription to conspiracy theories, holocaust denial and rediculous ranting against Jews and Zionism, makes you about as far from American as possible. Americans are pragmatic, honest, hard working and intelligent and not prone to hatred or denying genocide.
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